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Martin Burns

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Our good friends at Proxima Consulting seem to have problems deciding what to put on their site. Poor lambs.

They also seem to have had problems with coming up with an effective user experience.

So, in the best tradition of dumb people everywhere, they stole it. All. Words, images, layout, sitemap down to a URL level. Everything.

Which would have been fine (in a 'not' sense) except that they stole it from one of the better UK CED and SI agencies, Oyster

...who found it when one of their staff was doing some research last weekend. The only changes Proxima had made seems to have been a crude search and replace on the Oyster name, even claiming that Proxima had merged with companies who had in fact merged with Oyster.

Since being called on it, Proxima have pulled the entire site beyond the Flash intro. So skipping the intro means you also skip the entire site. Nice.

Fortunately, Google has a cached copy. Here are a couple of samples:

Oyster took a copy of the offending site and contacted Proxima, which may explain the Proxima site disappearance. I hear that Oyster aren't going to sue... at the moment

Can you imagine being the person responsible, and the meeting held at Proxima to consider his or her future... Are they selling tickets?

Martin Burns has been doing this stuff since Netscape 1.0 days. Starting with the communication ends that online media support, he moved back through design, HTML and server-side code. Then he got into running the whole show. These days he's working for these people as a Project Manager, and still thinks (nearly 6 years on) it's a hell of a lot better than working for a dot-com. In his Copious Free Time™, he helps out running a Cloth Nappies online store.

Amongst his favourite things is ZopeDrupal, which he uses to run his personal site. He's starting to (re)gain a sneaking regard for ECMAscript since the arrival of unobtrusive scripting.

He's been a member of evolt.org since the very early days, a board member, a president, a writer and even contributed a modest amount of template code for the current site. Above all, he likes evolt.org to do things because it knowingly chooses to do so, rather than randomly stumbling into them. He's also one of the boys and girls who beervolts in the UK, although the arrival of small children in his life have knocked the frequency for 6.

Most likely to ask: Why would a client pay you to do that?

Least likely to ask: Why isn't that navigation frame in Flash?

error 404

Submitted by ironclad on July 8, 2001 - 00:00.

hmph, looks like the spoilsports have taken their site down.

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Because they had to...

Submitted by MartinB on July 8, 2001 - 10:39.

Yup, Oyster made them take it down. That's why I've put links to Google's cached copies. At some point, these too will lapse... hmmm maybe I should take screenshots...

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amusing

Submitted by sadisticdreams on July 8, 2001 - 19:03.

I find it funny how they did that. You think they would atleast done more to the layout to disquise it. Acourse they shouldn't have done it in the first place

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Another issue...

Submitted by paulnattress on July 9, 2001 - 01:44.

Nice little story - they do say though, that good designers borrow - great designers steal...

Another issue raised by this story is the fact that these pages are still viewable because Google has a cached copy of them. Does this worry anyone at all? Have you ever had a web page that you've had to get rid of for legal or other reasons? What if, for example you have wrote an article that is libellous and have agreed to take down the offending article (or get sued). If Google has a cached copy, then people will still see it. How does this affect the standpoint of both parties?

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Cached copies

Submitted by MartinB on July 9, 2001 - 11:53.

(Caveat: IANAL) I imagine that the legal standpoint will be to view them as public archives in a similar way to news archives - if I defame you in public and it's reported by the newspapers, the law won't order all the existant copies of the newspaper to be pulped. But if I withdraw my comments, they're no longer being published.

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Submitted by paulnattress on July 10, 2001 - 01:37.

Good point.

Going back to the topic, did Proxima ever offer an excuse for what they did?

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This makes me want to kill....

Submitted by technophobe on July 10, 2001 - 04:44.

i dunno, you spend days slaving over pixel positioning, choosing colour schemes, typography etc. and then some 14 yr old dweeb comes along a rips off the lot...
i'm switching to .pdf format. (no... not really...)

this site pirated sites.com holds some brilliant examples of the design by theft genre

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pathetic

Submitted by mocster on July 14, 2001 - 17:14.

they didnt even mind to change the text? I mean only vital stuff like company names were changed? mah god.

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love that site

Submitted by mocster on July 14, 2001 - 17:15.

piratedsites.com is nice reading, I love it.

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Pixel Poachers

Submitted by jellhead on July 20, 2001 - 00:55.

PiratedSites.com was cool. I remember seeing a feature called "Pixel Poachers" on InfiniteFish.com about all the different times that site had been stolen. I think it was stolen at least 3 times. It has to at least be flattering ....

Christian MacAuley
http://www.colortheory.net

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Dover Publications looks like a copy of amazon.com

Submitted by frankfarm on July 23, 2001 - 14:24.

Here's a site that conspicuously resembles amazon.com: http://store.yahoo.com/doverpublications/

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Boy, it sure does!

Submitted by mmzysk on July 24, 2001 - 15:42.

I'm seen that site before, looking for books. Now that you point it out...wow...it looks really a LOT like Amazon. I wonder if the companies are related, or they just copied the design. Not as bad as Proxima though, boy, thats just horrid.

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